Episode 128: The Quiet Period and More

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[00:01:13] Speaker B: Welcome to this week's edition of the Dugout this podcast. I'm Andy Kittes, joined by my wonderful co host Keith Glasser. How we doing? [00:01:20] Speaker A: Great. How are you? [00:01:22] Speaker B: Good. We are slowly creeping up on the quiet period. It's currently August 11th. Quiet period starts August 18th and runs through September 12th. So let me start by defining the quiet period. So the quiet period happens a couple different times throughout the recruiting calendar. There's two specific ones that everybody should be really aware of. There's the window that we're about to enter August 18th through September 12th and then there's a window off the top of my head. I don't know the exact dates right now, but basically mid October to March 1st is. Is the next one. Actually I think it might be October 17th this year. But refer to our academy. We have all the charts and the breakdowns and whatnot there. But basically what the quiet period is is that it's a it's a period of time where Division 1 coaches are not allowed to leave campus to make evaluations of players. So they can't go to showcases. They can't go to off campus games. Their only mechanism for in person interaction or in person evaluation with a potential recruit is to have on campus camps. That's the only option from an evaluation perspective. It's important to know because if you are pursuing these Division 1 schools, that is going to be your only option to get in front of them during this particular window. Now, the October window through March is probably a slightly different conversation than the one we're about to have now because you're factoring in development Timelines, you're factoring in throwing programs, you're factoring in the timing of different camps. It's a little bit of a different period. But this one here is in between two live periods that are fairly close together. So you've got guys who've been going through the recruiting process. They've been out playing, they've been out getting seen. They've been going to camps, they've been going to tournaments, and coaches have been out, you know, essentially since. On the road since the end of their seasons, recruiting guys. And then you've got them, these guys, going back out in September. So it's a pretty tight window where you have this quiet period and guys have some options. Specifically, if you're a 20, 26, I think we want to take a couple minutes to frame that up in terms of what you can do to be seen. Some things that you need to be thinking about in preparation for this. Things to potentially execute during this window kind of leading into the fall. So I'm gonna. I'm gonna end my statement there and kick it over to you for some thoughts on some of this, the to do list, or some things to consider kind of during this window. And we'll focus on if you're a 26 right now. How's that, coach? [00:04:21] Speaker A: 26 is right now. Yeah. I think first and foremost, you have to assess where you're at from a recruitment standpoint. You know, who is recruiting you, who's not recruiting you, where are you at in that process? And then I think you also want to assess where you're at physically. You know, do you need to, you know, get stronger? Do you need to get back in the weight room? Do you need a week or so off from throwing to get back into it? [00:04:54] Speaker B: What. [00:04:55] Speaker A: What is it that you need to do in order to get yourself back to the best version of yourself for a fall push? You know, there's a lot of, you know, I think the. The recruiting roadmap, the recruiting. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't want to say the landscape, but you know, that things have changed, as we've talked about in recent podcast, to the point where, you know, I think there's a decent amount of division threes that have moved on people early that they've seen, that they like with the idea that they still have, you know, August, September, October, to really hone in on guys in the fall and have some more camps and make decisions on guys that are interested in their program that they may be interested in too. You know, so I know that there's a decent amount of camps at the Division 3 level that are going to be happening over the course of, you know, the next two or three weeks, then school is going to start. They're probably going to go through the fall and have maybe one or two more camps depending on timing and, and what they can or can't do. So, you know, there's plenty of opportunities out there still for, for 26s. You know, there's a lot of programs that are not done, that are still looking to add guys to their rosters and looking to make decisions. You know, there's plenty of programs that aren't even making decisions on guys until their fall camp in September and they're going to go from there. You know, so there's, there's still a lot of places out there for players that are, you know, being recruited or, you know, players who wish to be recruited. But you know, I think the biggest thing is what are you going to do over the course of the next four to six weeks to put yourself in a spot to show up to some of these camps and really be able to show out and get eyes on you that kind of show what it is you're capable of doing that get your foot in the door from a recruitment standpoint. [00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, you bring up some good points up front around. You gotta first take a look at where you are physically. Right. If guys lose weight during this window, they might not be strong and do you need to take a little bit of a break before that September push for some guys, if you're in shape and your arms feeling good, this is a great opportunity to get in front of some schools that may have been recruiting you or you need to get in front of because at some point you didn't during the course of the summer and being very smart about the schools that you target and the camps that you go to and doing some research and some planning to make sure that you can use this period in a productive manner. We talk about the Division 1 schools, they can't leave campus, but these Division 2 and Division 3 schools, they sure can. And a lot of these Division 2 and Division 3 schools, junior colleges, they will flock to these on campus camps that the Division 1 schools are holding for that exact reason because they know that, you know, if you're a New Jersey state school, you might go to Rutgers camp August or August 23rd, because you're looking for 26s in the state of New Jersey. It's probably a pretty, pretty fruitful Landscape for you to go to, to see some guys. If you're looking for some uncommitted guys. Same thing with, you know, you get into the high academic world, going to some of the Ivy League camps. These are typically, these Division 2 and Division 3 schools are going to flock to a lot of these camps. So doing a little bit of recon ahead of time, reaching out to some coaches, getting a better understanding of what other coaches are going to be there. These on campus campuses we've talked about, I think they're one of the better ways to go and get yourself in front of schools because it's a smaller population of kids that are going to be at the camp. You're likely going to get more game type situation. It's a built in college visit. A lot of the things that we've covered. But once again it all comes down to making really good decisions in terms of where you're going to go and making sure that you're getting in front of some of the schools that you are. So this, this period is quiet by definition based on the term that they use for it. But from a recruiting perspective, you've kind of got two options. It's either I'm going to take this window off because I need to recover, I got some nagging injuries, I need to get myself ready for that, that one month window where coaches can be out in September, or it's put your foot down on the gas and get out in front of the schools that you're looking to get out in front of and going and putting a good foot forward and hopefully kind of sealing the deal here or setting the stage for yourself to make a decision in the coming months ahead of the looming application deadlines. [00:09:46] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I think the other thing too, like, and I think this gets missed on the on campus piece, is that you actually get a feel for campus. Like not just like the campus visit, right. Like we talked about it, but like you're going to actually go to campus when there's student, students that are there. You're going to get a feel for that buzz and what that campus feels like when you're there. I would encourage you that if you're going to an on campus camp and doing this like to get there early the night before, whatever, you know, maybe stay later in the day after camp and just kind of walk around campus and see what it feels like because you can get a really good idea of whether or not that that's going to be a place for you and if that's a place that you see yourself fitting into. I think the other is that you get a feel for the coaching staff and the players because especially in the fall, the players are likely going to be working camp. So get them out there and, you know, ask questions. See if they're guys that you might be able to fit in with. That information, saying yes or no is just as important as, you know, disliking them or thinking that you. You're not going to fit in there is just as important as knowing that, you know, this is a place that I could really see myself. [00:10:58] Speaker B: At the end, you're talking about visiting, which I think is huge, especially if you're at that point in the process right now where you're trying to make some decisions, like going and seeing these campuses is massive. The summer schedule has died down. These coaches are going to be on campus now. They're not going to be out doing what they do, being on the road six out of seven days a week, like that type of stuff. It's a great time to go and visit schools that you may be interested in. And you're getting closer to that window. Like a lot of these schools, you start getting into the third week, August, to your point, kids are going to be back on campus and you're going to start to be able to paint a little bit of a better picture of what it's going to look like at a school. You probably haven't started up your high school campaign yet. So you've got this little window of free time potentially where you might have more flexibility to go and see some of these schools. So that's another thing that I think families need to take into consideration during this window, is it's a really good opportunity to go get in a feel for some of these places, which I think. I think that that sticks for the 27s as well. Right. If you're a 27 and you've started to hone in on some schools, or you just have some interest in some schools, maybe you're not even getting any phone calls, which most kids aren't at this point. It's a window of time where you can go and maybe go to a targeted camp and build in a couple campus visits and you can start to compile some information that's going to help you with your school list. It's going to help you with getting a feel for different campuses. It's going to have potentially some interaction with some coaches and start to lay the groundwork for a recruiting plan that you can execute over the next, you know, nine to 12 months, which is when most kids are actually going to be, you know, trying to, to get recruited in that 27 class. Most of it's going to happen next spring, next summer. But you can start to chip away at that information that you need to gather, which is can you see yourself on a certain type of campus that's going to help you with your school list. It's going to help you with targeting different schools and making sure that you're not running around like crazy at the end of this process because you've done a little bit of that pre, that pre work, you've done your studying before, you're going to take the test next year. So I think this window can be used a multitude of ways. One, for exposure, two, to get a feel for some campuses and then, you know, for 27s as well, if you need to take a little time off because you're a little banged up, maybe you need to put a ball down and maybe the fall season isn't going to be a factor for you, which we can get into in a minute. But you need to make some of these decisions ahead of this period so that it can be as valuable for you as it possibly can be. And sometimes the value and is not doing anything and taking a little bit of time off so that you make sure that you stay healthy and you can put a good foot forward the next time those coaches are going to see you. [00:13:56] Speaker A: Yeah, I think the health part of it is huge. And I might get on my soapbox here for a second, but I think that it's incredible, incredibly important for younger players to be able to recognize that they might need some time off and give their body a chance to recover. You know, there's at the youth level, there's a lot of baseball being played just from a sheer game number standpoint. It gets, in my personal opinion, getting to be rather ridiculous with the amount of games that younger kids are playing. And I'm not even talking about high school, I'm Talking about your 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, you baseball teams that are out there, you know, grinding and playing a lot of games. But I think that there's, you know, at some point you have to take some semblance of a break, not only mentally, but also physically to be able to give your chance about your body a chance to recover. You know, it, we're not built to do this 24, 7, 365. And yeah, I always find it, I find the dichotomy of trying to emulate and do things that happen at the big league level as it trickles down, but no one, no one copies when some of the. When most of these guys take time off for a substantial period of time to let their bodies recover from what they just went through. They just went through 162 game season plus. You know, if you don't make the playoffs, then you have the playoffs. A lot of those guys take weeks off and don't pick up a baseball or a bat for a couple of weeks and then slowly build themselves back into doing it and get in the gym and, you know, do all these things to be able to get them to sustain it again. And I just find the dichotomy of that to be so bizarre that they're like, we, we cherry pick what we want to trickle down. Like, you know, we want to throw harder and we want to do this, we want to play all these games, but also we don't want to take any time off and we don't want to rest and we don't want do this. And I think that it's, you know, there's a myriad of issues that come with it. [00:16:16] Speaker B: And I know I'm, I'm on my. [00:16:18] Speaker A: Soapbox here and I'm digressing for a second, but like, I want people to seriously think about like the sheer amount of games that you're playing and what that's doing because, you know, if you have, you know, there's data out there that's supporting that you have a lot of these younger kids that are having arm issues that can't even make it to high school baseball. And you know, the idea that, well, you know, they got Tommy John at 14, like your body's not able to recover from that. Guys can do it in college and guys can do in the pros because they're in their 20s and they're physically fit and their bodies have matured. Yeah, a good portion of those dudes can come back, the vast majority of them now. But we're talking about professional and high level College athletes, not 14 year old Timmy who blew out because we got to win. The, you know, whatever. The, what's the recent holiday? [00:17:11] Speaker B: The Firecracker Classic. [00:17:13] Speaker A: Yeah, the, the July 4th fireworks classic in Myrtle Beach. [00:17:20] Speaker B: A. [00:17:22] Speaker A: What are we doing? And I just think that there's like, you, you need time off. And I don't think, like, I think this is, this is incumbent upon us. It's incumbent upon our generation of fathers and you know, who have been in this game and see this stuff that, see that it's getting out of control of being like, hey, like, like something's got to be different. Like, and I, I don't know the answer, right? But like I've, I've played baseball at a high level. I've coached at a high level. [00:17:54] Speaker B: You did. [00:17:55] Speaker A: The vast majority of people that I played with in high school and in college were all multiple sport athletes. Like, go watch the NFL draft for the major league draft. Like they'll tell you that those guys all like high level guys that are getting drafted in the, into the big league or into major league baseball and into the NFL. And like they all played multiple sports. Yet some, like we've apparently got it all figured out at 12, that development's over and you just got to figure it out from that point forward just play the games. We, you know, we're playing 4550 games. Like college kids break down with that many games. What do you think is going to happen with younger kids? Am I pointing all this because it's not just in baseball. I know that it's in a lot of other sports. Like kids bodies aren't able to handle this. At some point they have to go be kids. At some point they have to step away and go do something else to let their bodies recover so that they can continue to do this. Like, take a side that you're just going to burn out, you're going to get worn out, you're going to do all this stuff, take all that out of it. Just from a few, a pure physical standpoint, it's not, it's not a sustainable model and we're going to lose kids in this game because of it. And I feel very strongly about it, obviously, which is why I'm on my soapbox in this. I wasn't expecting to go down this rabbit hole, but like the, the wherewithal and the, the self awareness to be able to be like, hey, I, I just played a shit ton of games. I like, I need to back off a little bit and I need to take seven to 10 days off, two weeks to let my body recover so that I feel physically fit enough to be able to get back into this. Not saying you do nothing, right? Like, you can still go to the gym, you can do some light workouts, you can do some stuff, but like taking a step back and being like, yo, I'm going to take some time off so that I can just recharge the batteries here and get back after it. And it's, it's, it's getting to be, it's getting to the point where, like, this is not sustainable and I'm not trying to throw. I'm not trying to throw daggers at anyone, but, like, we have people that are making decisions at youth levels that, in my opinion, have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. So we just go do it. And then we Wonder when they're 13, 14, 15, 16 years old, why they're burnout, why their bodies can't. Why they can't hack it, why. Why their arm always hurts. Well, they've been playing 60 games a year since they were 6. Like, what do we think is going to happen? Eventually, you're going to break down. And, you know, I'm. I'm becoming way more of a proponent of just going and playing the sport in your season and moving on. Because the fact of the matter is, like, with where we're at in this recruiting process and what's going on, and, like, it's slower. Like, 20, 27, we saw it this year. The vast majority of the 26s got recruited this year. 27s. The vast majority of 27s are gonna be recruited next year. Same thing with 28s. Like, just go play multiple sports. Be really good. If you want to make a decision when you're a junior, sure. [00:20:57] Speaker B: I'm glad you brought this up, because we often focus on the 26s and the 27s because the, the two classes that were either being recruited or, you know, you talk like two months ago like we're being evaluated and now can kind of officially be recruited, but you've got a whole contingent of 28s and 29s out there. And what I would caution against is you're not getting recruited right now. Nobody cares at all. And it's. It's the hard truth, right? It doesn't matter what your perfect game rating is as a 28 right now. I. I talked to an ACC recruiting coordinator last week. I said, hey, just out of curiosity, when are you going to start caring about 28? He said, Text me in eight months if the kid's good enough. So those 28, you really got to think about this, and I think it's important. 27 is a little bit different, kind of depending on where you're at, but I think this is legitimate conversation for them as well. Like, if you're 28 right now, are the 12 games that you're going to play or the 16 games that you're going to play from September 12th to October 17th or whatever it is, are those games going to be the difference maker? And you Getting recruited or is giving your body a little bit of a rest so you can be healthy going into the fall, getting in the weight room so you can close the gap physically for next spring and next summer when, if you're good enough, if you're in that really small percentage of 20, 28 are going to get recruited, is that your best path forward? For me it's pretty straightforward. Like if you're 28 and you're running around to camps in August, I think you've been given some bad information. [00:22:51] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Like recruiting 28. I talked, I talked to a Big Ten recruiting coordinator the other day. He was like, I don't even know if we're going to offer 27 this year. He's like, we might, but I don't know because I don't even know what our roster is going to look like next year. [00:23:06] Speaker B: Yeah, it's in. That's the type of information that people, they feel like they always have to pay or be out to get evaluated. But you have to understand where you are physically, where you fit in the grand scheme of baseball. Right. This is the same thing with the 27s. If you're 78 to 81 and you're a right handed pitcher or left handed pitcher, you making three starts this fall is not getting you recruited. But if you put a baseball down and you decide to get after it in the weight room three months earlier than most people are going to do and you end up busting your butt and you, you go from 78 to 81 to 84 to 87 next spring, well, all of a sudden you're recruitable. But if you watch the next three months because you want to keep your arm going and you don't want to get after in the weight room, you might be 82 to 84. And now you're in the freaking gray area of whether you're good enough to pitch in college for anybody. [00:24:05] Speaker A: Yes. And this also speaks to like where we are with baseball and being a 27 month thing. Like you have people that are putting pressure on kids to play football, that if you understand what's going on right now, like you don't, I'm not saying you don't need to, but if, if you're in between and you're on the fence like you, a lot of your deficiencies can probably be cleaned up just by getting more physical over the course of the next seven, eight months and just committing to that. Because the vast majority of, you know, under the new calendar, the vast majority of tournaments that are going to be played are going to be in a four week window. To your point, if you're going to go make three starts, like, how many innings are you throwing at this point in the year? No one should be going anywhere close to more than three or four innings. So, like, what are you going to go throw nine innings? You think that's going to move the needle as a 27? Let's think about this logically. Do you really think nine innings in September and October are going to move the needle for somebody to be like, that's the guy I want. Now if you were like 97 to 99, sure, that might go ahead and move the needle. But if you're 78 to 81 or 81 to 83, it ain't moving the needle for anyone. Because all the division threes are tied up in 26s. All the division ones are still tied up with what they're trying to do with 26s and trying to get a jump start on 27s and they're looking to be like, I don't know, clean arm action. Maybe we'll throw harder, we'll follow in the spring, we'll check them out in the spring, let us know how you're doing. But you ain't gonna move the needle. Just go do something that's going to make it better. I'm not advocating for people to not play, but at some point there, there becomes a point of diminishing returns. And I feel like we're at that with a lot of, of summer baseball at the youth level, you know, like, I saw something the other day, it was like, you know, you know, changing summer teams is, you know, is a huge red flag. Like, is it, is it like we, like you have people in this business that act like, you know, well, it's a red flag if I see that they change summer teams. Like, do you know what the coaching was like? Do you know how the, what the development was like? Like, maybe they weren't getting developed. Maybe they outgrew them. Like, that's a real thing. Like we as coaches, we, you know, and I think that this is true. Like, there's, there's a hierarchy in coaching. True or not. Like there is. Whether you want to believe it or not, I should say, like, you know, everyone kind of looks down. Everyone. But it's just the way that it is. And it's also one of those things, like I've said this before, like, this was our chosen career. Like, I spent 16 years and you get this question all the time. Like, oh, you coach baseball. Like, what else do you do? Like, I coach baseball. I am the head baseball coach. That is all I do. For 365 days a year, I coach baseball. And, you know, my point in saying this is, like, you hear that stuff at, like, the loose levels. Like, well, you know, they jump. Like, and I don't want any. Like, I don't even care if people take offense. Like, you're getting coached by a plumber who has, you know, who's living off of 1992 baseball that he remembers from high school. Like, the game has changed. And if you've. If you've outgrown that, like, at some point we have to admit that. That it's not. Like, it's not a red flag if kids are jumping from team to team. I'm like, yo, you jump 15 teams. Yeah, maybe it's a red flag, but we're going to. We're going to talk about a red flag for kids jumping summer teams. We have kids that are transferring every year and jump in schools for five years. Like, that's not a red flag for anyone. Yeah, you do it at the younger levels. All of a sudden it's a red flag. Like, no, like, maybe. Maybe they're not getting coached. Maybe the accountant who's never played baseball in his life, but just coaches on the, on the side for his son doesn't know what he's actually doing and can't get this kid better. Maybe that's true, but no one wants to say that. And, and that's what bothers me when we get to this part. Like, we get to this point and we've completely digressed off the original point of this podcast. This is why. [00:28:40] Speaker B: This is why you do it live. [00:28:42] Speaker A: But this. Right, but this is like, this is what bothers me. And, like, I'm not. Like, I. We need people like this to keep this game rolling, right? Like, we need people who want to coach, who want to do this stuff. [00:28:52] Speaker B: But we. [00:28:53] Speaker A: There comes a point when 7% of student seniors are going to go play college baseball. That, you know, Johnny the accountant or Mikey the plumber or Keith the concrete poorer isn't good enough to get guys better. And that's a fair thing to say. [00:29:12] Speaker B: And if. [00:29:13] Speaker A: If that means that you have to go to another organization and listen, I'm going to tell you right now, like, just because it's a national organization or whatever, like, that doesn't mean they're the best either. Like, just because It's a Division 1 school doesn't mean it's the best coaching. [00:29:25] Speaker B: Like. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Like, all of that is a fallacy. Like, there's some of the best baseball coaches I know are Division 3 baseball coaches. Some of the best coaches I know are assistant coaches at the Division 1 level who want nothing to do with ever being a head coach. And you might never hear their name, but from a baseball standpoint, they are some of the best you'll ever be around. And some of the best guys I've ever been around, you'd never hear their name. You don't even know who they are. And I just. I just think that there's this. There's this notion in this game, and I've always had a problem, is like, you have to pay your dues. Like, yeah, man, you do in some way, shape or form. And we grew up in an era in this game where, like, you just had to go be a volleyball and wear it for however many years and then go take a job making 10 grand and then hopefully after 10 years, 15 years, make it right. We're now. And I'm not bitter because I'm glad that guys like us did this for the next generation. Like, now you have guys that are coming into this game that are making. They can legitimately, legitimately make a living at a far younger age than we were ever capable of doing when we started. And I'm glad that the guys before us, guys like us, the guys who came after us, continued to do that and continue to raise the bar to where now you have guys that are able to get into this business and legitimately make a living in their first job. Like, that wasn't. That wasn't the case for us. Like, I'm glad that stuff like that happened. And I would get frustrated when I was coaching at people who would, like, look down at that stuff. But at some point, like, we have to understand that's not a sustainable model to keep guys in this business either. Like, we can't just continually ask people, like, we lost really good baseball coaches because it was like, yeah, man, here's $3,000 and that's it. You can give you a pair of. [00:31:19] Speaker B: Shorts, you can eat the extra food left over after road trips, right? [00:31:23] Speaker A: Like, and like. And I am not joking when I tell you this, like, these are real things that happened when we got into coaching. I was a Division 1 baseball coach that got paid $0 for two years. $0 for two years. Like, who would. Who does that? Like, I think about that now at 39. Like, I look back and think about that. I'm like, what was I doing? But at the same hand, like, I, Like, I learned a lot. And they're like, we. My point in my entire rant here is that we're getting away from a lot of the things that I think a make the travel game and everything else great, but also remove. We're removing really good players and really good athletes and really good kids from baseball. Not keeping them in the game long enough because it's gotten to this point where there's so many travel teams out there. The coaching at the vast majority. I'm not saying that the coaching is terrible, but like, you're telling me with the amount of travel teams out there that everyone's a great baseball coach. Like, that can't be true. That should. That's just not true at all. And the amount of money that it costs now, like, the amount of the amount that we're putting on families to be able to go through this, like, this is turning into an exclusivity type sport. And that's not what it was designed. That's what it's never been about. And I think that I, like, I have a problem with that. And I have a pro, like, you know, like, people, you see it on Twitter, like, people are pushing, you know, getting back to Legion ball. Like, listen, man, like, I, My personal feeling is I think Legion's dead. Like, do I think that it's fine? Yes, I do. It's competitive. You can go play. That's fine. I think the core issue is that we're. We're doing a disservice at the younger ages where we're losing kids there because we're playing so many games. Kids are getting burned out. They're not able to be kids. Like, I don't know, like, I'm not trying to be the old man screaming at the clouds, but I played with some really good players. Handful of them made it to the big leagues. Like, we didn't play 60 games at 11. Like, I played in my local little league and then made the all star team and played like 17 games. I don't know. I played at a pretty high level. Played with some really good players. You know, somebody, I heard somebody the other day be like, you know, Williamsport is just. It's dead. No one, no one does. Like, all of those teams aren't good. Like, what? Like, well, what are we doing? [00:33:57] Speaker B: But there's a lot of Little League. Like, the, the organization has taken a major hit because of. [00:34:07] Speaker A: Yes. [00:34:07] Speaker B: You know, there's 8U, 9U, 10U. All that kind of stuff and, you know, different strokes for different folks. But I think when you get back to it, right, and everything you said in the rant, it's, it's super valid. Like, there's a lot of things to think about when it comes to travel, baseball and all this right now. I think when you get into it, about decisions that you make right now as far as recruiting, like, you got to play the long game a little bit and not succumb to the pressure that you're supposed to play baseball year round to get the result that you're looking for and that, you know, we mentioned it a bunch of times, like the biggest gap for the vast majority of kids in the recruiting process is the physical component. And you can build your body up in these windows and not have to play necessarily. Like those 29s and 28s that we're talking about, they're going to get a lot of pressure that they need to go down to Florida and play in the Jupiter and blah, blah, blah. And like, you don't have to do that because nothing, from a recruiting perspective, nothing matters for you right now. These guys are. If you're one of those guys who's really, really good, you need to be really good next July, not really good this September. Otherwise you're just a guy who's just going to get a bunch of camp invites and, you know, but, like, nothing's going to come of it. And I think that people need to take a step back and just make sure that you're making these decisions for the right reasons and not because you think that you have to under this false pretense that in order to get recruited I have to play in the fall or I have to do this or I have to do that, you need to really take a step back and go, all right, well, what's the best long term decision I can make to get me to where I want to go? And the reality is, for a lot of kids, 27s and 28s, I'm not even going to get into 29s but like 27s and 28s, for a lot of you guys out there who are listening to this, the best path you can take is put the baseball down and go focus on the weight room or go play another sport. It's a hard reality to come to because you feel like, well, if I, if I don't play, you know, if I don't play in the perfect game qualifier, like, nobody's going to see me. Well, if you're 81, 83, nobody's going to care if they see you. Now, if you want to go out there because you're in shape and you want to go throw and you want to play with your boys and you play in a really good travel organization that you really enjoy being around, that's different. That's a very different conversation, in my opinion, because that's not about recruiting. It's about enjoying what you're doing. Right. That's a little bit different. But if you're coming at it that I have to plan these because I have to get recruited, the first thing you need to do is evaluate whether you're recruitable during the window that we're talking about. And the reality is, for 28, it doesn't matter. There's no argument that can be posed to me that I don't have a legitimate rebuttal for as to why being a 28, getting recruited this fall is a non factor. Right. When the guys who make decisions at the highest level of college baseball who recruit earlier than anybody else, these are the guys who are on the phone August 1st offering kids, when they tell you, call me in eight months. And this is the message across the board, that's all you need to know. So if you want to go play because you really enjoy it and you have the means to do it, and it's not a stressor on your family and it's not a stressor on your body, go ahead. But if you really want to play the long game and you really want to put yourself in a situation to give yourself the best chance to be recruited, I advise all 27-28s to really think about what this quiet period looks like and what your fall season look like. [00:38:00] Speaker A: Well, yeah, like, there's no. [00:38:06] Speaker B: I, I don't. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Like, I feel like I'm screaming from the mountaintops. Like, no one is. No one's recruiting 28s. No one's recruiting 29s. It's not happening. [00:38:15] Speaker B: Like, we've. [00:38:17] Speaker A: And I think people are, Are slow to pick this up. Like, with all these rule changes and what's going on and the, the influence that. The influence of the transfer portal is, Is more so on the speed of the recruiting than it is on taking away the, like, taking away spots from other players. Does that make sense? [00:38:42] Speaker B: Like, like, you there. [00:38:43] Speaker A: There's more. The transfer portal has more of an. Has more of an influence on the speed of what's going on recruiting wise than it does. You know, when you hear, oh, this is terrible, it takes away spots from high school players like no, in some regards, maybe, but it's influencing the speed of all of this a lot more than what people want to either A, realize or B, admit. Like, when the transfer window doesn't close until, what, late June, Right? Like after the. After the World Series. [00:39:18] Speaker B: Yeah, I forget the exact day, but, like, it's. It's basically turned into. [00:39:22] Speaker A: But you have schools that are losing players for their upcoming roster in June. Yeah, like, it's. You have July. Like, you're starting school in seven weeks, and you just lost five players. And then, like, we want to complain that they're like. And then we wonder why some fringe guys aren't getting recruited right away. Or, you know, we're worried about 27s. Like, they don't even know what their 25 class still looks like. Do you think they actually care about the 27s? [00:39:52] Speaker B: Let's, let's. [00:39:53] Speaker A: Let's be real. Like, you know, I just lost five players in the transfer port in the last two days. With two days to close. Like, I need to find guys for now, not 2028, that are 2027 grads. I need guys who can play in 2026, not 26 grads, guys who can play next fall or this fall, next spring. And, like, that's influencing a lot of these decisions, which. Then it's going to take, you know, people a little bit longer to realize this. But, like, I mean, I'm not trying to sound like I know everything, because I'm not. I'm not a very smart man. But like, this. This is the cause and the effect. Like, the cause is the transfer portal causes this, and the rule changes cause this, which causes everything to slow down. Because we've been living on a freight train for the last 15 to 20 years. It ain't happening anymore. So we as an industry need to shift what we're. What we should be doing now, will we? Likely not. Because organizations have been printing money off of this stuff for the last 15 to 20 years, and they're going to try to continue to print money. [00:41:07] Speaker B: Well, I don't think the. I don't think the system is going to change, but I think what. I think what we're trying to get people to think about is that you can change the decisions you make based on the reality of what it is. Like, we're not operating in the pre Covid where high school freshmen committed to major schools anymore. So you need to adjust the way that you showcase yourself. You need to adjust the way that you try to develop. You need to adjust how you go about the recruiting process with that in mind, as opposed to this idea that that recruiting train is always going and it's not like it's completely changed. The month of June for the vast majority of Division 1 coaches has turned into the recruiting of college players. And, yeah, you can bitch about it all you want. You can bitch about the Portal, and usually the people who complain about the portal or the fringe guys that think that it's impacting them when it's really not. Yes. Are there spots getting taken away from Division 1 players because of the roster cuts? Yes, there are. But you can sit there and scream about it and complain about it and how it's impacting you, or you can take a look at what's actually going on. Use the information that you're given. Right, that we try to hand out to people on this podcast for free, and you can use that to make better decisions. Right. Understand the landscape. I mean, here's a great example of how things are slowing down. Major, major program. They've been in a Super regional top 25 year in and year out. In previous years, they would have already had 27s committed, right? Even last year, they had a call list of 50 kids. And I'll tell you who this is. After they had a call list of 50 kids the previous year. That's a lot of kids to call on August 1, right? They had eight guys that they called on August 1 this year because it's eight guys that they had seen. Essentially what it's come down to with 27s. And I think a friend of ours put it best the other day when I was talking to him. And I think this kind of sums up the general sentiment for the highest levels of Division 1 baseball right now. If you're a 27 and I don't go and I watch you play, if you don't do something that makes me think you could compete on my team today, I don't need to commit you. We don't have to play from a coach's perspective. I don't have to play the projection game on August 1, period. [00:43:43] Speaker A: No, you don't have to. [00:43:45] Speaker B: I don't have. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Why would you have to? [00:43:47] Speaker B: If I don't need to take the kid who's 84 to 87 and lock him up early in case that he pops and I lose out on him to some SEC school, I don't have to take that chance anymore. If you're writing a pitcher and you're 27 and you're not 88 to 91 with a banger Breaking ball and a ton of. A ton of room for growth. Like, those are the guys who are getting committed right now. The guys who are 90 to 93, the lefties who are 89 and 91 can really, really pitch. But these guys don't need to take chances on guys anymore because their focus is going different directions during different times. And it seems like a tough thing from a high school perspective because it's a big change from what it was a couple years ago. But in reality, and this is the hard thing, I think, for people to wrap their head around in reality, for the high school kid, this is a good thing long term. The roster cuts, the timelines, and the speed at which this is going. It is a good thing in the long term. Coaches are going to be forced to make more informed, better decisions. They can't just go and commit 20 high school kids and figure it out when they get there. Right. You have to be more targeted. You have to be more mindful of how you build your roster because you can't cast this wide net anymore. And it's a good thing in the long run. It hurts like an MF or right now for a lot of people. And it's an easy. It's an easy thing to blame if this process isn't going the way that you think it should go right now, it's an easy thing to blame, but the reality is it's a good thing because most kids just need to focus on getting themselves to a point where they're recruitable and less about running around trying to get recruited. And that's the thing that gets messed up in this process over and over, is that we try to throw money at the problem. We don't make sound decisions on where we're at and where we need to be and what we need to do to actually get there. And these new timelines, the shift in focus of how rosters develop, the roster cuts. In the long term, I think this is going to be a good thing for high school guys. I really, really do. And I may be in the minority on that. But from the guys that I've talked to across the college baseball landscape, in travel ball, high school coaches, college coaches from all different levels, they all agree that in the long term, when this comes out in the wash, that this will actually be beneficial for the high school kid. Yeah. [00:46:13] Speaker A: I mean, I don't disagree. I'm not. I still think that way, that there's no. You can't convince me. I've said this for years. You can't convince Me that asking a 14 to 15 year old kid, like we were doing previously, to commit to a school as a sophomore in high school, that they know they're going to be there for the next seven years of their life. You know, they haven't even, they don't even have a driver's license, but you can tell me that that's where they know they want to go to college. Spare me. Look, I know the vast majority of coaches and I did it when I was coaching Division one. Like we didn't like doing it, but it was what was going on and then it just snowballed from there. You can't argue that this is not better, that it gives kids more time to safely develop. My point in all of this is that they've been printing money off of this for a very long time. We're going to continue to run all these tournaments, we're going to continue to run all these games and people are going to continue to show up thinking that going to them is going to increase the likelihood of you being seen and being recruited, which in and of itself is not a fallacy. But in and of itself, it's tough. There's such a small window for you to be seen. [00:47:38] Speaker B: It's uninformed. [00:47:39] Speaker A: Like, you need to be really, really, really good at a specific point in time while people are watching. Like, you could go be really good and no one sees it. And guess what's going to happen? They're going to call some coaches, they're going to be like, okay, awesome. Like, well, let me know when he's throwing again. They're going to show up to watch, throw again, and maybe you're not that good again. They're going to walk away and be like, nana, he's short. Which happens a lot, a lot more than people like to think. [00:48:09] Speaker B: But. [00:48:11] Speaker A: It'S gotten to the point where we're making, you know, we're asking kids and we're asking families to do things that they're physically not capable of handling to get to sell the dream of being recruited when sometimes, and I would argue in most instances, the better. The better thing for the kid is to maybe play local fall ball for the fall and play 12 games and get in the weight room and work your tail off so that you're bigger, faster, stronger and better. Over the course of September, October, November, December, January, February, and in seven months, you're a completely different human being. Being able to play baseball instead of traveling all over the place to play three games and on a weekend, Saturday, Sunday, and not Play football or soccer or volleyball or wrestle or hoops or whatever. All in the name of what? Like, I would be interested to know, like people have gone through this process who didn't play college baseball. Like, what do you think? Because there's 93% of people out there, like, what would you have done differently? [00:49:35] Speaker B: Maybe we'll get some, maybe we'll get. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Some responses and I don't know the answer. Right. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I don't know either. [00:49:42] Speaker A: I just, I think that sometimes, like I'm at least aware enough to know that like my argument is completely one sided that I'm 39 years old and I have played this game Since I was 6 and I spent 20 plus years in college baseball. Like I have a very high opinion of what I think about a lot of things within this game. I'm not right half the time. I don't know. I can be convinced. Like I have a lot of thoughts go like, you know, we all did it. We all said it. Like I've gone to. I'm just as guilty as anyone else. Like I, I'm, I'm as guilty as anyone else showing up to these showcases that I get paid out in tournaments, that I'm like, what am I doing here? Because if we don't show up, there is no. Yeah, kind of the chicken and the egg. Like if the coaches don't show up, like you don't really have a tournament but they're still going to run the tournament. But even whether or not there's no coaches but the showcase is like you still show up showcases. Like if we don't show up, like there ain't no showcase but like we still show up. So we're part of the problem too. I've long admitted that I haven't lost sleep over it. But my, and I'm not, I'm not throwing shade at any of those coaches that do it. Like by no, like, oh. [00:51:12] Speaker B: Because a lot of times that's a difference maker money wise for a lot of these guys is like you go and you do this stuff and I. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Just told you that I worked for free for two years. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Yeah, join the club, baby. [00:51:24] Speaker A: I know. So like you got to do something. But like and, and, and to be completely clear, like when you work those camps and you are getting paid, like it's also, you know, it's not just the monetary benefit from it. Like it is a networking opportunity for you. It is an opportunity for you to be able to be around other coaches who maybe have been doing this longer, who are really Good coaches that you can learn from. Like, I would be lying to you. Like, the Bob Barth hit Dr. Camp. I don't even know if they still do it. Like, I was 23 years old. Like, I was working a camp with, like, the who's who because of who Coach Rossi knew. I mean, there was Fred Corral, Dean Stotts. I'm going to name drop a bunch of people. John Sheff, Scott Forbes, Scott Jackson, Greg Starbuck, Kevin Schnall. Like, there were dudes there that I legitimately looking back on it. Like, I was 23. I was dumb. But, like, I learned a lot. But, like, I had no business being in that room at 23 years old with those guys. Like, I didn't. But, like, I learned a lot, and it was awesome. Like, it was one of the coolest experiences of my life. I got to learn a lot from a lot of really good coaches. Like, my point in being is that, like, yes, I will say, like, we're the problem, but at the same time, like, from an industry standpoint, like, there are a lot of benefits for coaches to be able to do those things, not just the monetary side of it. Again, I'm digressing off of a lot of things we were going to originally talk about, but I think that the, like, my overall point is that we need to. There needs to be a mind shift. Whether or not it's going to change or whether, you know, anything's going to happen, I don't know. But, like, we're not doing a good enough job in keeping kids in this game and keeping them healthy. I don't want to say safe, because I don't think that that's the right word to use in this situation, because I don't think anyone is maliciously doing this. I just think that it's become a thing of, like, more is better, more, more, more. When more is not better, when it's got to actually be, you know, a balance of development and play and practice and things that be able to get these kids better, you know, and keep them engaged and happy and wanting to play this game longer and be able to be more healthy as they get older so that they actually legitimately get to recruitable age and can make these decisions that we're talking about of, like, do I shut it down for the fall to give myself an opportunity to really be recruited next year? Or, you know, do I go take another two starts because a handful of these coaches saw me during the summer and really liked me, and they're going to be at These tournaments, like, yeah, man, that might move the needle. Or, hey, I'm a shortstop who, if I can go grab another 25 at bats, that's 25 less at bats that I wouldn't get. Not playing, like, yeah, man, go get 25, 30 at bats. Sure, why not? That's not going to do anything detrimental to you. I just think that there's some of the things that we complain about at the youth level can be fixed in doing things a better way at the youth level. And I don't know. I haven't racked my brain on how to do that yet. Maybe that will be our next push on EMD baseball, but could be. I think it's something that, you know, obviously I'm fired up about it as I've completely hijacked this podcast to talk about a lot of this stuff. But I do think it's relevant to the overall conversation that we're having about what you should be doing during the quiet period. But I think what I'm trying to get at as well is that it's more. If you have the wherewithal to know that you need to shut it down, you're in a really good spot. But I also want people to understand it might not just be this year, it might be the previous 18 months of taking no break, of doing this that has led to this point. So, like, be mindful of what it is that you're doing and setting all this stuff up to give yourself a break to recover and refresh and reload, recalibrate, reload, re, engage. [00:55:57] Speaker B: I think the title of this one is going to be the Quiet Period and more. [00:56:06] Speaker A: The Quiet Period and a lunatic ranting. [00:56:09] Speaker B: Well, but it's all valid stuff. And yeah, I mean, we got a little off track, but at the end of the day, like, these are. The conversation does really circle back to making good decisions during this funky window of time where if the travel ball world didn't exist, most people wouldn't play baseball right now. They'd be going to play another sport. Right? And the pressures of thinking that you need to participate in this stuff right now, like, each individual player, each individual family, their. Their situation is going to be different. And I think what we're trying to get people to do is, like, you need to think independently of the system that's out in front of you and don't be pressured into this idea that you have to do certain things because it's just not the case. Like, the landscape has changed, the timelines have changed, the viewpoints of coaches have changed. The competitiveness level has changed. It's more important now than ever to really think about how you put yourself in an advantageous position in the long term. Not for September, for next June. And for a lot of families, this is the time when they have a chance to take a step back. The travel ball season has come to an end. Then you have a chance to evaluate this stuff. And I think that's what we're imploring people to do here is think long and hard about what's going to be the most impactful thing long term for you during the quiet period and during this fall versus let's just get back into the rat race, because that's what we think we're supposed to do. Because the reality is, is that for a lot of people, that rat race is not going to be productive for them. It's going to be additional stress, it's going to be additional travel, it's going to be additional money. It's going to be all of those things. For some people, that is the right path and it is the right decision to make, right? But for a lot of people, it's not. And, you know, it's advice that we give people that we work with. But each. Each conversation with advice like this is different because each kid and each family situation, and that's what's so hard to unpack about this. And it's. It's so hard. It's where the conversation around baseball and development and college and everything, we. We try to wedge these things into, like, very specific use cases that fit the point that we're trying to prove. But the reality is, is that there's so many different paths that you can take and decisions that you can make in an individual level. And these are the types of things that we're trying to challenge people to think about, right? And don't just go in that direction because that's what somebody you knew did five years ago. Well, it ain't the same anymore. It's not that you're not operating in the same world anymore. The recruiting world's different than it was at this point last year. Things have changed drastically. And if you don't constantly evaluate the fluidity of all of this and you get stuck in, well, I need to do this, I need to do this, I need to do this. And you don't take a step back and evaluate the steps you're going to try to take in this process, that's when you get stuck in a rut and you look back and you're like, well, we ran around to seven different camps. We spent this much money, and we didn't get anything out of it. It's. Well, did you think about why you were actually doing it? Did you have information from somebody who had experience to give you some really good advice or at least make you think about the decisions that you're making? Right. And it's why we do this podcast. It's why that we try to help families. The way that we do is because it's important to us that people have good information. Because this stuff. It's easy to think that what we say in this podcast is solely our thoughts and our opinions, and to a certain point, they are. But we're also bringing together the conversations that we have with coaches from all different levels of college baseball on a daily basis. We don't just talk specifically about recruiting. We talk about development. We're calling guys on. On, you know, hey, like, I got this guy. Like, you know, what would you do if you had him this offseason? Like, what would be your advice? Or getting a lay of the land from a recruiting perspective, trying to better understand what's going on at these different levels? What are the timelines look like? What's the college baseball landscape look like? How are you building rosters? What's your time like? We get this information, like, it's, to a certain point, it's kind of crowdsourced. Right. So the people who think that we're just sitting here just spewing off a bunch of information that me and you banter back and forth about, like, yeah, sometimes and. [01:00:49] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [01:00:50] Speaker B: But a lot of times, like, we're. We're essentially a mouthpiece for a. A good amount of college coaches, and we're trying to distill down the information that we received to. From them. Because a lot of these guys don't have this platform or they don't want this platform, or some of the conversations they have don't need to be made public. But we can make sense of it and try to try to give you the cliff. No version of it and be able to say, hey, like, we're not making this up. Like, for the 28s. Like, we're not making this up. This isn't us just. Just spearing out thoughts that we think might be the case. Like, these are direct conversations with coaches that are telling us this is how it is right now. Yeah. [01:01:35] Speaker A: And I thought, you know, I had two meetings, three meetings today, but two with 2027s of our clients, and we were talking about Stuff and both kids and parents, more so the parents. But they were like, you know, at a handful of the stuff we went to. Like, it was readily apparent everything you've been saying about the 2027 class. Like, not a lot of coaches seem to be locked in when the 2027 teams were playing. And one of them was at a tournament where they were like, the coach flat out asked like, how many, like, what ages are here? The guy, they were like 27s and eights. And he was like, okay, like, I watch for a little bit, but I'm not really locked in here. And like there's like, send it to the kids, which is fine, man. Like, that's the truth. That's what's going on. That is the reality. And, you know, it's, it's fine, it's not wrong, it's not controversial. Like, none of the, like, all of this is just true. Things are changing. And as things change, you have to adapt to what's going on. And this is the first year where we've seen all these rule changes and all these things that happen. I would imagine that if you're, you have a pulse on this at the youth level, like you're going to adapt to what just happened this summer because there's no other way, right? Like we adapted as college coaches when things changed. Like, as it changes, you either adapt or you die. That's just what this is. That's true in any walk of life. Nothing is ever going to stay the same forever. That's just a truism. And when things start to change, you're going to have to adapt and change your modality so that you can actually get to certain outcomes. And I don't know, I don't know what that looks like. I'm not going to sit up here and say that I have all the answers. I think that there are certain ways that people can go about doing things a different way in order to do this and keep kids engaged and keep them involved in wanting to play this game. But I also think that like, that needs to be an industry wide type thing. And I don't know, I don't know who wants to take that on. I mean, I'll take it on, sure, whatever. We'll see how far we can get. But my point in all of it is, is that like there's, there's far too many changes that have happened. There's far too many. It's the word I'm looking for here, Andy. There's far too many variables with what has happened over the course of the last 18 months to 2 years to be able to continually do the same thing that we've done for the last 20 years. It worked. It did. Make no, make no mistake about it, it worked. The way that we ran things for the last 20 years before all these rule changes, it generally worked and worked pretty well. But there's a lot of things that have changed over with the House settlement, with the NCAA rule changes, with contact rules, all those things that has shifted what is going on at the college level and what recruitment looks like, which will in turn need to shift what goes on at the lower levels of college baseball or the lower levels, excuse me, of travel baseball, where the intent behind the younger ages of the, you know, for, for argument's sake, for, for this year, the 27 to 28, 29 is like, it ain't about getting seen. It about getting, you know, playing as many games as humanly possible. It's about development. It's about getting these kids better. It's about practicing. It's about them getting more physical. It's not about getting them seen and getting them committed because they can't talk to anybody. And the college coaches don't care. They do not care about seeing younger players. And it's not. I don't want anyone to think that you shouldn't go to camp or if you really like the school, but just understand what you're getting yourself into if you opt into that, that you're so far away from legitimately being recruited by that school that you know they're going to take notes. But from a college coach's standpoint, if you're a 20, 28 and you show up to my camp, I'm going to write down like, yeah, it moves well, you know, whatever. You could also be horrible and I could go see you in two years when it's time for me to recruit you, and you could be a completely different player. Two years is a long time, especially. [01:06:25] Speaker B: When you're 15 years old. Lot happens. [01:06:28] Speaker A: It is a long time. And like, that's something to keep in mind that you're not like, to your point earlier about this is better for the high school player. It is because instead of having to make a decision at 15 of what school that you're getting offered at, where you want to go, you can make that decision at 17 when you're a little bit more aware upstairs, you're more physical, you're more capable of being able to do things. You're. You're more physically able to handle what it is that you're going to be asked to go through. And college coaches can get a hell of a lot better evaluation on what it is that they're seeing to make a decision on whether or not you're going to fit into their program. And it's better long term. But in the, in what we saw, what I've seen this year and I've had like, I've always thought that this was a problem, but it worked, right? Like we would always complain about this, like what is this? But it worked. So they're like, there's that dichotomy. But with everything again and I'm beating a dead horse. But with the, the house settlement, the rule changes, the contact that all that stuff, it is shifted to where it is a hell of a lot slower. The transfer portal, it is slower. So if you're a 28, if you're a 29, if you're a 30 or if your son is a 28, 29, 30. Like find a place that is putting an emphasis on development and not just gameplay practice, weight room development from a skill set standpoint. Find places that do that because I guarantee you that your son will be in a better spot when he becomes of recruitable age than they will if you just go play a bunch of games. Yeah, because no again, and I can't emphasize this enough, nobody is recruiting those ages. Ain't even close to recruiting those ages. Five, six, seven years ago maybe, but now no shot. Just go develop and find a spot that is going to be able to legitimately develop your son into the baseball player that you are like that he is capable of being. To be the best version of himself. So when he gets to that 16, 17, you and becomes recruitable, coaches will take note and pay attention because at 14, 15, you. They likely aren't even going to take any notes. [01:08:51] Speaker B: No. Well, they won't even be at the games. So tough to, tough to take notes when you're not there. [01:08:57] Speaker A: You know, you come across the game, you're at a team camp, you know they're going to show up. But like, you know, and the other part is like make. You can make smarter financial decisions on some of these showcases to go to if you're 29, like there's no reason for you to be going to showcases and like spending astronomical amounts of money to go to some of these things because they ain't going to recruit you out of it. Not until 29s are the class that are rising seniors. [01:09:30] Speaker B: That is correct, my friend. Anything else? [01:09:36] Speaker A: Oh, I have a lot. But we're gonna, we can't turn this into a three hour podcast. [01:09:41] Speaker B: We'll save it for next time. [01:09:45] Speaker A: All right. [01:09:47] Speaker B: That was a good one. Thanks a lot to unpack. But it's, I think it's, it's good food for thought for our listeners. So thank you listeners for listening to us. The Quiet Period and more podcast. Tune in next week. We will talk to you then. Thanks everybody. Thank you for listening this week. If you're watching on YouTube, go ahead and hit that subscribe button and smash that like button for us. Check us out on Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts as well as Spotify. You can follow us on Twitter and Instagram MD Baseball. If you want to find out what me and Keith do to help families and players navigate the recruiting process, go ahead and check us out on emdbaseball.com take a few minutes to check out our new online academy. I promise you'll get some good information out of that. Thanks again for listening. [01:10:40] Speaker A: Check in with you next week.